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| Topic Started: Jan 28 2010, 11:03 AM (335 Views) | |
| Kobra Kai | Jan 28 2010, 11:03 AM Post #1 |
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Couple of big problems that I noticed lastnight while watching it on BluRay (dude, 1080p kicks ASS!!) Okay, the thing that tipped Kirk off in the beginning that they were going into a trap was that Chekov said over the intercom something about a "lightning storm in space", right? Also, the transmission that Uhura intercepted back at the academy was something about a bunch of Klingons getting taken out by a ship that also came from another lightning storm, right? The problem here is that the "lightning storm in space" is the result of the singularity that brought old Spock and the Nerrada from the future and eventually created a black hole. Since Nero and the Nerrada were already in the past, they didn't arrive through some singularity through time and space. He just warped to those locations like everyone else does. So there wouldn't have been a lightning storm thing for Chekov or the Klingons to identify. Next issue, not really a problem but....Nero isn't dead. He got sucked into another singularity at the end...the ship didn't get crushed going in. So he exited the thing somewhere else in the universe and probably at another point in the past or even the future. Vulcan got sucked in from the inside out, so even if it did exit somewhere else, it came out in tiny little pieces so there's no chance of survivors. |
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| wissaboo | Jan 28 2010, 12:38 PM Post #2 |
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good call. Was their lightning at the end when the narada was sucked in? maybe it is something about the ship that causes the lightning and not the singularity. or maybe the klingons saw the lightning when spock's ship arrived and went to investigate. |
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| Kobra Kai | Jan 28 2010, 01:25 PM Post #3 |
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that's possible with the Spock thing and the Klingons, good thinking. Spocks ship coming through also had the lightning. And so did Vulcan until it all got sucked in and turned into an actual black hole. Either way, that doesn't explain why the distress call from Vulcan that Chekov was relaying reported the lightning in space. There should have been no lightning at the time of that attack. So Kirk shouldn't have been able to put 2 and 2 together. Bad writing, but still cool. And yes, there was lightning when the Narrada got sucked in at the end. |
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| Almighty | Jan 28 2010, 10:43 PM Post #4 |
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The Klingons reported a lightning storm in space and then later the attack on Vulcan At least thats how i heard it |
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| Kobra Kai | Jan 28 2010, 11:48 PM Post #5 |
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Chekov and even Pike were not aware of the attack on the Klingons. Kirk and Uhura made that revelation. Remember Pike and Spock didn't believe Kirk about the Klingons until Uhura backed him up. When Chekov read the information over the con to the whole ship, he was reading the report that Starfleet was given by the Vulcans who were under attack. So the Vulcan report spoke of the "lightning storm in space". |
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| Almighty | Jan 29 2010, 12:05 AM Post #6 |
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I'm gunna cue the dvd up  |
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| Almighty | Jan 29 2010, 12:13 AM Post #7 |
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Chekov just says this "At 2200 hours telemetry dectected an anomonly in the neutral zone what appeared to ne a lightning storm in space soon after starfleet recieved a distress call from the Vulcan high comand that their planet was experiencing dificulty blah blah blah" At no time does he say that the lightning storm was anywhere near Vulcan and the the thing is the storm that was reported was the one Spock came through |
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| Kobra Kai | Jan 29 2010, 12:29 AM Post #8 |
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day 1 - uhura intercepts transmission from Klingons day 2 - kirk beats Kobayashi Maru day 3 (let's assume that only one day passes between his test and the hearing) - this is the day that the alert comes from Vulcan So whatever "2200 hours" that chekov was talking about, it couldn't have been the same day or "soon after". It had to be a minimum of 2 days difference. |
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| Almighty | Jan 29 2010, 12:42 AM Post #9 |
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The fact is that Chekov says "soon after" The Narada kicks some Klingons into stovokor(spell?) and the next day they find Spock coming through the time vortex/lightning storm. I'm not saying thats exactly what happened but it's likely Also i'm sure that later in the movie when Kirk is explaining it all to Pike that the Klingon attack happened the night before 1. Klingon attack 2. Next day kirk beats Kobayashi Maru and same day fronts the board 3. that afternoon? Vulcan |
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| Kobra Kai | Jan 29 2010, 12:50 AM Post #10 |
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according to Kirk's speech: lightning storm occurred "today" attack on Klingons occurred "2300 lastnight" Checkov says lightning storm was at "2200" So....lightning storm happened, then Klingons get attacked, next day another lightning storm and distress call from Vulcan. = 2 lightning storms |
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